Quartz Is Your Friend

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Quartz Is Your Friend

Post by temerityb » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:56 pm

One of the things I adore about the new BDWF is that you fine folks seem to want to talk about watches. So let's talk about watches!

Today, since it's raining cats and dogs here, I decided to put on something I consider one of my toughest watches that I fluked into a couple of years ago – a Victorinox Swiss Army Chrono Classic 1/100th. This VSA model originally came out in 2013 and didn't go over particularly well, particularly since what I've read on various sites is that a whole mess of buyers couldn't figure out how to set the unique watch, which offers a perpetual calendar, a super-accurate chronograph (the second hand serves as the chronograph hand, while the disc reading displays the fractions of seconds – hence, the “1/100th”), tachymeter, and displays the month and year, all in the same watch using a rotating disc system. Press the crown twice and you can move from function to function while the chronograph is running in the background. My personal favorite feature is the perpetual calendar. My other favorite thing about the watch is that I caught it out of the corner of my eye for like $79 or something at a Nordstrom Rack – the watches, when original sold, had MRSPs of up to $975 for a watch that has been described as a high-end quartz. (The big Tourneau store in midtown NYC here is still selling one of these for full price.)

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The VSA uses a Soprod SOP FM13D movement, which, obviously, is pretty packed with features. True, it's complicated in every possible way; I keep referring to the manual often when resetting after battery changes. But this movement is way cool and a stone blast to just tinker around with, and it's in a watch that's not half-bad looking and solid as a rock. Yeah, it takes time to set, but it's fun to set.

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Which got me to thinking: As I get older and my collection is just about finalized, I have nothing against quartz at all … given that the movement is a quality one. I believe that too many watch buyers and hobbyists pooh-pooh quartz thinking the movements are pretty much all the same, from the watches you see in drug stores to the movements that higher end brands such as Tag Heuer and Omega use in some of their models.

As for me? I'd rather research the difference and know going in that a good quartz movement offers a lot of bang for the buck while allowing watch owners the same high quality that they'd find in automatic versions of literally the same watches. A few years ago, I found something while browsing around at Tourneau during a sale that just floored me – a preowned Omega Seamaster from around 1999 or so (the 2223.80), in absolutely like-new condition, selling for the eye-popping price of $1,495. With that classic Seamaster bracelet. With the 300-meter water resistance. With the helium escape valve. With the Bond-style that took hold when Omega first was seen in the Bond films. With the anti-reflective sapphire. With the sleek case.

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But...it was a quartz watch. Yet, it was nearly the same as another Seamaster, an auto, sitting right next to it selling for $3,800. Except for the movement. I mean, in use, the 2223 did the same thing the automatic model did, but one was a quartz and the other an auto.

I bought the quartz version. I thought it was a freakin' deal, and to this day, I still do. This model is packed with the Omega 1538 quartz movement (based on the ETA 255.461), a rhodium plated, perlage-decorated, nifty timekeeper with a superb end-of-life indicator and that gets a whopping 48 months between battery changes (and, yeah, since I bought it at Tourneau, the battery changes and cleanings are free for as long as I own the watch). Only a quartz, some would scoff? I'll keep it.

Here's a great write-up of the 1538 by a guy who really knows his stuff:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/quartz- ... ting.5475/

The two watches I've described are ones I own – but there are many more quartz movements that I wouldn't think twice about buying. My meaningless two cents: I consider the Grand Seiko SBGX263 one of the most handsome dress watches out there, one that just maybe I will soon own – and the 9F62 quartz movement inside only adds to my lust. So, you can get the uncanny quality of Grand Seiko featuring a thermocompensating movement that controls the watch's accuracy during weather changes, and offers accuracy of plus or minus about 10 seconds a year … for a list price of $2,200? Where do I sign up?

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And who would scoff at The Breitling Emergency Watch, which virtually any gear head considers one of the all-time marvels in wristwatch history? Which can literally save your butt in an air or sea emergency? Run by a COSC-certified Breiting SuperQuartz chronometer movement, another temperature compensated, insanely accurate movement (sold as being 10 ten times more accurate than most quartz watches)? Those antennas? What, you didn't have GI Joe as a kid or something?

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In all seriousness, when I log on to some watch sites and read people scoffing at “quartz” with a two-word insult or a haughty wave of the hand, I log off. YES, I prefer automatic movements, and own practically the entire ETA catalog, a Valjoux 7750, 9015s, the Orient stuff, the chop-socky 8215s, a whole buncha Sellita, and everything in between. Autos are first and foremost my choice, but so are high quality stainless steel cases, sapphire crystals, and styles and features I enjoy. The movement, to me, is just one facet of what makes a good watch a good watch.

But dismiss quartz out of hand? I'll take a 9F or 1538 any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. I'll take the best of all worlds that I can afford, without hesitation.
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Re: Quartz Is Your Friend

Post by JAS1125 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:31 pm

When I started out years ago, it was with quartz. Then I moved to automatics and now if it catches my eye, I'll do quartz, depending on the movement. I've even bought the tools and supplies to do my own battery changes, although I've shorted out a few movements. Truthfully, over a certain price, I still hesitate with quartz, despite your well thought out post.

Now for bullet proof, can't go wrong with this Reactor.

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Or a Zodiac, anytime

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Great post, T... thanks
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Post by svaglic » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:01 pm

OK, I cheated. I copied and pasted most of this from WL because I was too lazy to post the photos from scratch here. (it’s a hassle on an IPad).
Some of my quartz watches.
I wanted this movement, it took me a while to settle on this model, I wanted the coffin link too. I got the Snorkel, but it was too big, this one fits nice.
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I got this one because of the color of the bezel.
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Got this one in a Lord's auction, love the root beer color.
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Another Lord's auction win, an alarm.
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Are the Eco drives considered a quartz? If so I have another that I won at a Lord's auction. I couldn't get a good shot showing the blue hands, it is a nice looking watch and was my first Citizen.
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I was looking for a Glycine airman and saw this. I heard two stories, A repair store had extra parts and was given permission by Glycine to make these and the guy made them in conjunction with Glycine. Either way, I like it.
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I've given up ever being to take a good photo of this watch, it is impossible for me. It's a much better looking watch than my skills show. One of my first (serious to me) watches I bought, probably around 2000.
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I have not had time to shoot the ADI that I just won at the Lords auction yet, but it is really sweet.

I have a couple of TX's, but have to send them off for a battery change and reset. They are put up right now. And I have a few more that I got from auctions here that are at my brother's place.

I still haven’t sent the TX’s off for a battery replacement. I need to get on that.
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Re: Quartz Is Your Friend

Post by Artman » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:06 pm

temerityb wrote:Great photos, all. Artie - how are you liking the VHP?

Thanks TB! I'm loving the VHP. I really wanted the Breitling Super Quartz until this came around.
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Post by temerityb » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:30 am

Artman wrote:
temerityb wrote:Great photos, all. Artie - how are you liking the VHP?

Thanks TB! I'm loving the VHP. I really wanted the Breitling Super Quartz until this came around.


It looks just great, Art.

I didn't expect this to turn into a "quartz reveal," but hey - I'm game! There's more quartz in my collection, that's for sure.

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... and so on.
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Post by Mark » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:59 am

Some nice specimens here. In the photobucket debacle I lost most of my watch pictures, including the few quartz that I wear occasionally. One of my not yet started retirement projects is taking better watch pictures. For years I largely moved away from quartz due to the battery changes. This now seems a little odd considering I don't really mind resetting them with daylight savings time or after those short months. I guess if Amazon is good for anything it's good for cheap watch batteries delivered for free. Recently, I ordered a few batteries that could have been shipped in a postcard sized envelope. I wondered what was on the porch when they arrived in a shoe box sized package.
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Post by temerityb » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:43 pm

Mark wrote:I guess if Amazon is good for anything it's good for cheap watch batteries delivered for free. Recently, I ordered a few batteries that could have been shipped in a postcard sized envelope. I wondered what was on the porch when they arrived in a shoe box sized package.


Something that's been bugging me, too, Mark. I for the most part have ordered watch batteries from an Amazon seller in nearby Brooklyn for years now. Like you noted, I used to receive them in a few days, in plain white mail envelopes, delivered via first class USPS to my mailbox. No muss, no fuss. Now, the same Amazon seller's wares say "Amazon Prime" when you order them, and a strip of five batteries comes in a box you could fit a pair of Ugg boots in.

(That is, when Amazon's new Amazon Logistics farce can deliver them at all - since Amazon took over their own deliveries, they've lost or delayed about 60 percent of everything I've ordered the past 18 months, no exaggeration. Amazon Logistics might work for smaller areas but in the New York City region, the deliveries are so bad I'm thinking of quitting Prime).
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Re: Quartz Is Your Friend

Post by Mark » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:56 pm

temerityb wrote:
Mark wrote:I guess if Amazon is good for anything it's good for cheap watch batteries delivered for free. Recently, I ordered a few batteries that could have been shipped in a postcard sized envelope. I wondered what was on the porch when they arrived in a shoe box sized package.


Something that's been bugging me, too, Mark. I for the most part have ordered watch batteries from an Amazon seller in nearby Brooklyn for years now. Like you noted, I used to receive them in a few days, in plain white mail envelopes, delivered via first class USPS to my mailbox. No muss, no fuss. Now, the same Amazon seller's wares say "Amazon Prime" when you order them, and a strip of five batteries comes in a box you could fit a pair of Ugg boots in.

(That is, when Amazon's new Amazon Logistics farce can deliver them at all - since Amazon took over their own deliveries, they've lost or delayed about 60 percent of everything I've ordered the past 18 months, no exaggeration. Amazon Logistics might work for smaller areas but in the New York City region, the deliveries are so bad I'm thinking of quitting Prime).


Interesting that you should mention Prime shipping TB. On Friday I ordered a camera lens from a Prime seller. Sellers I have used before (Adorama and B&H) both NYC sellers and apparently Catholic, since neither would ship until April 29th. So I ordered from another seller who says the lens will be on my front porch tomorrow. I hope they are right but only time will tell.
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Post by temerityb » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:00 pm

Mark wrote:Interesting that you should mention Prime shipping TB. On Friday I ordered a camera lens from a Prime seller. Sellers I have used before (Adorama and B&H) both NYC sellers and apparently Catholic, since neither would ship until April 29th. So I ordered from another seller who says the lens will be on my front porch tomorrow. I hope they are right but only time will tell.


B&H is quite Jewish; I don't know if Adorama is the same, but they might be (they're both really reputable photo equipment companies). I hope your order shows up when it is supposed to. During the past year-and-a-half or so, I used to have Amazon shipments sent to my work address - only to find them delivered either to the company next door, or literally lying in the sidewalk near a curb. I'm not kidding. So, realizing the drivers don't give a rat's ass, I had them sent to an Amazon locker, which worked for a while - but a recent order was sent to Colorado, and the two-day Prime shipping took about three-and-a-half weeks. The bag the item was in ended up lookig like a hobo's kerchief on a stick.
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Post by Racer-X » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:52 pm

temerityb wrote:
Mark wrote:I guess if Amazon is good for anything it's good for cheap watch batteries delivered for free. Recently, I ordered a few batteries that could have been shipped in a postcard sized envelope. I wondered what was on the porch when they arrived in a shoe box sized package.


Something that's been bugging me, too, Mark. I for the most part have ordered watch batteries from an Amazon seller in nearby Brooklyn for years now. Like you noted, I used to receive them in a few days, in plain white mail envelopes, delivered via first class USPS to my mailbox. No muss, no fuss. Now, the same Amazon seller's wares say "Amazon Prime" when you order them, and a strip of five batteries comes in a box you could fit a pair of Ugg boots in.

(That is, when Amazon's new Amazon Logistics farce can deliver them at all - since Amazon took over their own deliveries, they've lost or delayed about 60 percent of everything I've ordered the past 18 months, no exaggeration. Amazon Logistics might work for smaller areas but in the New York City region, the deliveries are so bad I'm thinking of quitting Prime).


Assuming this is MYBATTERYSUPPLIER (https://www.thebatterysupplier.com/contact-us/), I just ordered some Sony batteries from them based on Synmike's and your advice.
https://www.watchlords.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=204&t=41891

One order, 6 battery models, FOUR different shipments, all with different arrival times. Also, the watch battery ordering on Amazon is a mess. They haven't consolidated the models, brands and quantities, so it's tough to find the quantity and seller you want. A few models I couldn't get at all on Amazon from this seller, but they were available just fine on the seller's website. Ugh.
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Post by temerityb » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:27 pm

Racer-X wrote:
Assuming this is MYBATTERYSUPPLIER (https://www.thebatterysupplier.com/contact-us/), I just ordered some Sony batteries from them based on Synmike's and your advice.
https://www.watchlords.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=204&t=41891

One order, 6 battery models, FOUR different shipments, all with different arrival times. Also, the watch battery ordering on Amazon is a mess. They haven't consolidated the models, brands and quantities, so it's tough to find the quantity and seller you want. A few models I couldn't get at all on Amazon from this seller, but they were available just fine on the seller's website. Ugh.


I hear ya. It used to be that when I ordered from My Battery Supplier, I'd wait a few days and find some envelopes with batteries in them in my mail box. Now, to be honest, it's a shit show. I think it's all Amazon's fault - I'm telling you, the reliability factor and trust I used to have in Amazon is WAY in my rear view mirror. I'd rather order stuff virtually anywhere else now, even if their prices are a bit lower sometimes. I've had it with them.
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Post by Mark » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:02 pm

Your experiences with prime shipping and multiple orders does not surprise me. Sometimes it can be a hot mess. Considering that I live in a rural area with real limited retail options, it's the only game in town. At least I have other watch options if I have to wait for a while on a battery.
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Post by edison » Sat May 11, 2019 12:32 pm

My current passion is automatic watches, and those have been in my wrist rotation for a while now. I have quartz, but they just don't get the love anymore. That changed recently while on a cruise to the Caribbean. I picked up two, A Bulova Marine Star and a Luminox Atacama.
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That white dial caught my eye. I've been in the No Buy Zone for some time now, but my wife wasn't with me on this cruise. :D
Here I've added my Luminox Atacama Field Day Date. No lightbox anymore, just used my cell phone and stove top. LOL
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Post by jaw » Sat May 11, 2019 7:05 pm

The first quartz watch that helped me understand why some justifiably cost more.

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My luxury grab-n-go quartz.

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Unlikely to ever part with either of them.
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