Seiko needs to return to it's roots

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Re: Seiko needs to return to it's roots

Post by biglove » Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:44 am

Was just about to post this article. Seiko has lost their way. At thia point, considering their pricing, LE goofiness and QC issues I don't see buying any of their products again. Too many better options for the same money.
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Re: Seiko needs to return to it's roots

Post by Ocean » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:01 am

biglove wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:44 am
Was just about to post this article. Seiko has lost their way. At thia point, considering their pricing, LE goofiness and QC issues I don't see buying any of their products again. Too many better options for the same money.
I have twice considered a Grand Seiko but the bitter taste I have from the Tuna has turned out to be too strong. The loss I took on that hurt. I honestly can only say I know that they make far better but Seiko is like invicta I wouldn’t buy anything over a few hundred. My sawtooth, samurai, land monster and monsters were well made but the prices have skyrocketed out of control.
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Re: Seiko needs to return to it's roots

Post by biglove » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:35 am

Ocean wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:01 am
biglove wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:44 am
Was just about to post this article. Seiko has lost their way. At thia point, considering their pricing, LE goofiness and QC issues I don't see buying any of their products again. Too many better options for the same money.
I have twice considered a Grand Seiko but the bitter taste I have from the Tuna has turned out to be too strong. The loss I took on that hurt. I honestly can only say I know that they make far better but Seiko is like invicta I wouldn’t buy anything over a few hundred. My sawtooth, samurai, land monster and monsters were well made but the prices have skyrocketed out of control.
Have owned a number of lower priced and mid-tier Seikos and four GS. Honestly, at this point in time, I cannot see buying anymore of their products. It makes me a bit sad as they have just priced themselves well above what they actually offer. For GS money, there are better options. For mid-tier, there are even more. In the $500-$1500 range, everything else makes so much more sense than Seiko. At grey market, there are still some solid deals on the newer Seiko 5 watches but they are largely uninspired.

I wonder how many of us in the WIS world feel likewise? Fanbois won't be deterred but for me, Seiko is dead.
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Re: Seiko needs to return to it's roots

Post by temerityb » Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:16 am

The fan boys just don't want to hear it, but the quality of Seiko just isn't there any longer. GS, well, maybe, but to me Seiko is now the Japanese Invicta, flooding the market with cheap product that in reality isn't all that cheap.
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Re: Seiko needs to return to it's roots

Post by MKTheVintageBloke » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:52 am

For me, they were dead for a long time already. The Swatch Group is annoying with its price increases, but - for example - Longines does not downgrade their watches. Seiko? Fuck them, they replaced the 6R15 with Seiko-branded NH35 into the stuff that already was there, and started asking more and more money for a downgraded product.
JOMW’s video about the decline of Seiko’s QC was what ultimately killed the brand for me. I mean, for one man to repeatedly stumble upon brand new specimens of the same make with issues all throughout, either one’s got to be well and truly shit out of luck, or the factory does a shitty job. I’d say it’s the latter. Somebody’s lunch on the dial. A fucking snowstorm on the timegrapher, massive inconsistencies in accuracy.
Then there’s the flood of limited editions. Some street art and gaming shit, bukkake enamel shit, cocktail shit… Fuck that stuff.

My 5 SNXS79 is OK. No more Seikos for me.
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Re: Seiko needs to return to it's roots

Post by svaglic » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:38 am

Yeah, I mostly look for older Seiko’s, except for liking some Presage’s and I like those for the nice dials. The new stuff has lost the appeal.
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Re: Seiko needs to return to it's roots

Post by conjurer » Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:07 pm

Once upon a time, there was no bigger Seiko fanboy than me. Seiko was a value proposition, a great company that offered more bang-for-the-buck than just about any other.

I was actually lusting after the new Sharp Edge GMT; I thought it was the tits, even at the price. Then I learned they were shipping examples with--wait for it--mis-aligned chapter rings (or bezels, or whatever.) When you're trying to sell a watch that retails well north of a grand, you have to, I dunno... align the fucking chapter rings and bezels.

This should have been pretty obvious. Seiko's dead to me.
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