The absolute gutsiest watch review in any media, ever. Totally the truth, too.

I've seen this guy before and he's not bad.
Damn shame about what is happening with Seiko. He's absolutely correct...for those prices, stuff like that should never occur.

The Chinese are producing watches at a fast rate, with improving quality. Seiko needs to watch out

JAS1125 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:13 pm

I've seen this guy before and he's not bad.
Damn shame about what is happening with Seiko. He's absolutely correct...for those prices, stuff like that should never occur.

The Chinese are producing watches at a fast rate, with improving quality. Seiko needs to watch out

This is an actual statement in the comments, attributed:

They are mass production at the top degree. - Mark Frankel, Long Island Watch, who actually SELLS SEIKO.

I have been complaining about sub-$500 Seiko for years. Now, Jody Musgrove is noticing the problems with Seiko over $1,000. Tell you what - I think it's painfully obvious that Seiko can be ranked alongside Invicta as a questionable buy. Never thought I'd see the day.

Tell you what - I think it's painfully obvious that Seiko can be ranked alongside Invicta as a questionable buy. Never thought I'd see the day.

I'm afraid you're right, at least it's tracking that way. I don't think they have the depth of models that Seiko does, but Orient seems to be the better value proposition

JAS1125 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:52 pm

Tell you what - I think it's painfully obvious that Seiko can be ranked alongside Invicta as a questionable buy. Never thought I'd see the day.

I'm afraid you're right, at least it's tracking that way. I don't think they have the depth of models that Seiko does, but Orient seems to be the better value proposition

For me, it's Orient sure, Seiko never. I have people in real time who have had trouble with their Seikos, and four of the last six Seikos that I purchased have crapped out. Someone on WL said I just had "bad luck."

Bad brand is more like it.

Citizen has always had better QC and build design than Seiko. I don’t own a single Seiko and given what appears to be rolling price increases for decreased specs and worsening QC, Seiko can kiss my ass.

I think they will only keep QC at a level that keeps the public buying and maximizes profits.

Mass production has to have a huge profit margin so they are still making bank when sold at sale prices.

GS is where their focus is now it seems.

Update: Having bothered to watch the video, I am, somewhat surprisingly, gobsmacked. I had been been close, several times, close to ordering one of the Sharp Edged GMTs from Seiko.

In the past, I have had to explain myself many times regarding Valjoux chronograph movements and my quite unacceptable experience with them. I have owned, now, four 7750s and a heavily modified 7753; of those, now, three have gone wrong very shortly after buying them. Two of them had issues with the crowns/winding, and one had issues with the chrono reset. This means that well over half of the the Valjoux chrono watches i have owned have failed, in one way or another, very soon after purchase, which means that I am highly unlikely to ever buy a watch with a Valjoux movement again.

Now, that we have photographic evidence of Seiko doing the same fucking thing, well, I can't well get around this. This is not acceptable.

There has never been a bigger Seiko fanboi than I. I still think that the SKX007 is one of the greatest, most iconic dive watches in history. Alas, history begins today, and if Seiko is asking well over a grand US for a watch, they'd better fucking make sure it's fucking perfect.

conjurer wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:34 pm

Update: Having bothered to watch the video, I am, somewhat surprisingly, gobsmacked. I had been been close, several times, close to ordering one of the Sharp Edged GMTs from Seiko.

In the past, I have had to explain myself many times regarding Valjoux chronograph movements and my quite unacceptable experience with them. I have owned, now, four 7750s and a heavily modified 7753; of those, now, three have gone wrong very shortly after buying them. Two of them had issues with the crowns/winding, and one had issues with the chrono reset. This means that well over half of the the Valjoux chrono watches i have owned have failed, in one way or another, very soon after purchase, which means that I am highly unlikely to ever buy a watch with a Valjoux movement again.

Now, that we have photographic evidence of Seiko doing the same fucking thing, well, I can't well get around this. This is not acceptable.

There has never been a bigger Seiko fanboi than I. I still think that the SKX007 is one of the greatest, most iconic dive watches in history. Alas, history begins today, and if Seiko is asking well over a grand US for a watch, they'd better fucking make sure it's fucking perfect.

Well, that's just it.

I am not here to bash Seiko - I still have three, I believe. Two are in rotation and the other is an old gift from the missus. Oh, and that one was one of the early Kinetics, most of whom crapped out after about 18 months after being hyped as basically running forever. Then I bought another - same problem. You know, the old "that one was just a fluke" mindset. More recently, a more modern Kinetic also crapped out prematurely. Enough with that whole concept. Can you blame me?

I can only put my dollars into stuff that works. Unlike conj, I've had good luck with 7750s, albeit because I baby 'em and wind 'em very meticulously, but I do have an 11-year-old Hamilton with one that's perfect. And I tend to gravitate toward Sellita and ETA autos - I have yet to have a problem with even one, and I have picked up a shit ton of watches over the years.

So this has less to do with Seiko than it has to do with value. Despite my "accomplishments" in life, I have busted my ass for every dollar I have earned and I make hobby purchases with a lot of consideration in advance. Cripes, it was two years of scrimping and planning before I bought a Rolex.

I used to know the Seiko HQ in Mahwah, NJ very well. Knew people that worked there, and they were nice people who cared about the products. I don't know what's happened since those days, but it's obvious there's a different mindset now.

I just read that at a Frito-Lay plant in Kansas, a worker literally died and the other employees were told to leave the body there and get back to their work stations. I also read that Frito-Lay also works their employees there on forced overtime and 84-hour weeks; some workers went more than five months without a day off. Not a vacation: A day off.

No Sunchips or Seikos for me. I see other people not getting value for money - or ripped off by big companies - and that's it. Rear view mirror. After-life kidz.

As for Fritos, well, ugh:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... -overtime/

Between Seiko not giving a shit, Frito-Lay working their folks to death…literally, and Lowe’s going the way of WalMart by screwing over their employees by working them less and hiring more people so that they don’t have to pay benefits; well, shit.